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Anyone here have any 1st hand (or 2nd hand really) experience in this?

AKA Hemi-Sync Meditation tapes from the Monroe Institute: YouTube Channel

It’s also known by the 1983 CIA Gateway Process that was released publicly.

Precursor of Stargate Project Spy Program. In a nutshell, you listen to two different freq.

with headphones, and the brain creates a Beat Frequency cause by interference that

matches various Brain Wave patterns. Ultimately causing Astral Projection.

This method of AP is distinctly different than others that work as you fall asleep. This method

you never actually enter sleep, but OBE while still conscious, even if in an altered state.

A vital distinction, as I have mentioned my Familiar forbids the sleeping-method of AP as this

will interfere with my dreams. However, the Gateway Experience is not without it’s problems,

some report disturbing, unwanted dreams in sleep, and also elevated BP but some say that

the BP change is just from nervousness and the dreams are from people who were already

sensitives who were not aware they had the Gift. So, I’m curious to see if anyone knows all this?

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My introduction! Happy to be here
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Oh, BTW I’ve downloaded like 16 GB of the tapes. They go for $500 used on CDs.

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Bumpy. Anyone have any info on this, or other meditation techniques?

I use Candle Meditation mostly, but it’s not easy. Part of Autism I guess.

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I’m familiar with the Monroe Institute, but the last I read of them was quite some time ago. I never listened to any tapes, but I did read some of their research papers.

What I’m going to share here is entirely my opinion, though it comes from years of observation (on others and myself) and some years of research.

Messing with the brain and consciousness through an external means appears highly unpredictable and sometimes dangerous, especially if the person receiving it isn’t properly prepared.

“Short-cuts” are often not short-cuts at all; rather, what unfortunately happens too often is one gets dropped in the deep, who thought he was a pro-swimmer and could swim his way out to shore, only to find he doesn’t have quite the skill he thought, or the raft of a solid foundational practice that someone would have if they arrived at that level of accomplishment naturally. (And so now they realize that they must pursue the slow path to build the practice after the short-cut. So really, no time is gained at all.)

In the end, to survive, I’m of the opinion that you need that grounding first. Sure, it takes longer, but without it, you could sink and either lose your mind or your morality to the intense allure of that kind of power. And a practitioner with neither is truly dangerous - to everyone and himself.

Even Tibetan Buddhist Masters talk about this in their own monastic settings - where you’d think the people who choose to be their students would know what they are getting into, but unfortunately they often don’t.

But I will say that my last research on the Institute itself is old. It’s possible that they may have made their treatments safer now, Idk. If this is an area you’re keen on researching though, I can share some recent videos I’ve saved on this - especially showing how things work from the Tibetan side.

Apologies for the length ~ Cheers. :sweat_smile:

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Shamanism does rely on ‘shortcuts’ and while I’m grateful I don’t need ayahuasca like the

Amazon Shaman or shrooms I do make use of the Sacred Plant Cannabis, in micro-doses

ONCE a week. Because it’s oil-based and not water-based it takes an entire week to process

out of the system otherwise you will take far too much as tolerance builds. Because of my other

problems I should have gotten a prescription for it, but legal problems prevent that. I will say

that I don’t NEED this, I can channel my Familiar and Patron Saint without it, but for the deepest

connection it works extremely well, and I’ve refined the process over a year cutting out any

‘Spirits’ (alcohol) and understanding my body reaction to both. I truly hope Hemi-Sync works.

Because I’m not Gifted. At all. In the 70’s I had this ESP kit, cards and pendulum & stuff.

Kirlian I think it was called. Tests ESP. I sucked, lower than random chances. It’s been slow.

I’m Autistic meditation is very difficult. Yes, if you know of info I’d love to see that. My ultimate

goal is to use Hemi-Sync as the solitary method of channeling them both. Very cautiously.

EDIT: Just remembered, Native American Shamans use Cannabis but also Peyote as in

Carlos Castaneda’s books plus a few other herbs. I’ve not tried peyote no idea if it’s safer.

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Shamanism and Tibetan Buddhism have a LOT in common (some say Tibetan Buddhism isn’t true Buddhism because of its close history with Bon shamanism and Indian Yogic cultural influences.)

My response was more of a general statement for anyone who might get “star-struck” about the idea of ESP and leap into a strong exposure treatment like the tapes with little to no spiritual or personal preparation first. You’re going about it the right way, for sure. You’re building up that grounding of a personal practice first, which was entirely my point! I’d say you have a much safer shot now at accomplishing that goal.

Will do! I’ll compile some things in my next response. It might be a doozy, fair warning! Researching consciousness and the nature of reality has been a passion of mine for a long time…

lol, that’s funny, I was thinking about peyote before your edit. I’m very familiar with the Castaneda books, if you remember. Peyote is extremely powerful. It seems to me to be much more dangerous than cannabis.

I’ve vaped Cannabis in the past with fast results, and smoked it a few times before. I learned very quickly that if you’re already an extreme sensitive like me that you have to be even more careful when taking anything internally. It felt like I was throwing petroleum on an already burning fire, if you catch my drift lol. Sound therapies like singing bowls and charged stones however are a different story.

[Edited to make it shorter.] Cheers.

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Thanks for the reply! Yes, I have no desire for anything stronger than the cannabis I get it

in drinkable form, I used to smoke and even vaping just kills my throat. Gummies are too

inconsistent. I get the same stuff that is for prescription use, FAR more consistent in the

dispensaries than in the ‘head shops’. It’s a razor edge just want enough to silence my

‘ego’ and let me hear them clearly, but too much and I can’t remember all that well, even

with automatic writing a lot gets lost I feel. I have switched from Shamanic Drumming to

Singing Bowl, but I only have one rather small one and my own wooden striker not original

with no felt? leather? end. Still works well, but for some reason I get very fatigued doing it?

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Maybe it’s not a real one, but it produces a clear ringing that’s pleasant.

The owl is actually a bell, but the tone is a little too high and harsh gotta make a different striker?
The ‘stick’ was from my Pellet Drum, which broke. It was old, and not made that well.

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Well that’s a strange looking bowl! Where’d you get it? :thinking: The strikers are usually wrapped in suede.

If it’s making you feel fatigued then it might be because the frequency isn’t right. You’re going to want to go off these articles and their charts: https://www.solacely.co/en-us/blogs/singing-bowl/singing-bowl-frequencies-chart. https://www.shantibowl.com/blogs/blog/singing-bowl-tones-and-frequencies-complete-guide

At the bottom of the 2nd article is a list of apps that can be used on a smartphone to measure the frequency of your bowl.

Focus on the top two chakras; the 3rd eye and crown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A19aexK0QyM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISIUB1xdzZE

These videos play the appropriate tones. I suggest playing the third eye one first. Play them mindfully, these tones can have strong effects, depending on your sensitivity. I suggest listening with headphones. (That channel is top-tier on this subject, btw. They have a free course.)

Cute bell! lol try tapping it with wood or a felted striker? That works well with Tibetan bells. In the Himalayas and India meditation bells are also used - in India they’re called Ghanta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEZp7-53PnY

in Tibet they’re called Drilbu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ubvtvQFTlo

That drum is also very similar to Himalayan and Hindu drums! Can’t say anything about them though. In my old practice I used to listen to frame drumming.

Jumping back to studying consciousness - I suggest watching these videos as a primer to the Tibetan piece of this puzzle - the Bardo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P0yC7Y4Z6g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5GJNsPLqbs

(The 1st has AI visuals sadly. Not the worst I’ve ever seen though.)

Ahaha ~ yeah I know that’s a lot. Only just lightly scratched the surface though. :sweat_smile: Cheers. :bell: :lotus:

[Edit: I don’t know why the previews of the videos aren’t showing, I tried to fix it!]

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(Partial response) I actually don’t know where I got it from, or why. Candle stand? Probably NOT

from a resale shop, I’d remember I think. It’s frequency is 409 hz the sound is pleasant enough.

EDIT: 409 hz is a bit higher than G (392) but not as high as G# (415.30)

The fatigue is more from the arm ringing it. Suede… that’s what I see in pictures! I don’t have.

When I’m fatigued I switch to holding it upside down and gently tapping it for bell sound.

I do plan on buying a new one, but I have no knowledge of chakras at ALL. What freq/tone

would you recommend for a Shaman? I use the bowl/drum/bell while I walk around the altar

channeling my Q or Lilith if that helps in a recommendation. It’s more for an ambiance to help?

Also, it keeps my hands busy doing something. Prefer something on ‘autopilot’ which is why

the fatigue is annoying as it distracts from what I’m actually doing.

EDIT: did save the two YT vids. Unlike the Hemi-sync dual freq. the YT compression probably

won’t distort the bell sound, but I wait for recommendation of freq. for physical bowl & virtual.

EDIT AGAIN: Bell is 3656 Hz rather high and not an exact note.

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All that you seek is in that reply, my dear!

The appropriate notes, frequencies and short explanations of chakras are in the articles.

The frequencies you want will correspond with the 3rd Eye and Crown chakras - notes A and B. Examples are in the sound recording videos I sent.

If it’s the playing that’s difficult, then when you listen to the recordings, pay attention to how he plays. Singing bowls aren’t just struck like a bell - when properly played they carry tones and resonances for a long “singing” period. With a frequency and shape like that, it’s clear that that’s not a real singing bowl.

The science of singing bowls works through their resonant frequencies. While it’s not required to have an exact match, it’s important that you are at least close to the correct frequency. Proper singing bowls have much lower frequencies than your last test.

For channelling/ESP you’re harnessing the energy from your 3rd eye and crown chakras, hence why you focus on those with this kind of singing bowl use. I really recommend studying the chakras to some degree if you want to learn how to “unlock” yourself fully. The information’s very easy to find.

Compressed into a single statement - our life force energy gets generated through 7 major energy centers - what the Hindus call chakras (sanskrit for “spinning disk”) - each directly connecting to parts of the body. Channelling requires a full and healthy functioning of the pineal gland and a strong connection to the rest of the brain - which can be facilitated and strengthened yourself by using these proper A&B frequencies to unblock those chakras.

In other words, singing bowls and ritual bells aren’t meant for just a “pleasing” ambience - properly used, they’re sacred tools designed to trigger these brain-states required for proper channeling/connection to the divine. Even for those with no “apparent” ability, these can have the same or similar effects to the Hemi-Sync.

Hope these explanations help! :bell:

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Another method used by Hindus and Buddhists are meditation mantras, which are performed by using 108 beads strung on a single string (a mala) plus a dividing bead with a tassel:

https://www.dharmashop.com/collections/mala-beads-wrist-malas-and-mala-necklaces/products/108-bead-dark-raktu-prayer-mala

Western Pagans have adopted these as well, to strengthen their connections to their deities and when done properly can be highly effective at producing hypnotic trance states. I find just one full round is sufficient to put me into a trance that can to last up to 30 minutes.

You can use something as simple as a “seed syllable” for the mantra you chant, or something similar in your tradition, and/or you can model Buddhist/Hindus for making your own custom mantra for Lilith, or the queen; Buddhist/Hindu examples:

“Buddham saranam gacchami” - meaning “I take refuge in the Buddha” - (in Pali). “Om namah Shivaya” - “I give praise/homage to Lord Shiva” (in Sanskrit), “Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa.” - meaning “Homage to the 3 jewels; the blessed one, the enlightened one, the Buddha.” (in Pali)

Using that formula, you could make a mantra along the lines of “I praise/I take refuge in/I give homage to - Lilith/the Queen” In Hebrew/Sumerian or your preferred language. Longer and more poetic phrases are more difficult and taxing, but produce deeper, longer lasting trances. As you can see in the 2nd link, these beads can be very cheap, they’re easy to find, and can be made from any type of material at home if desired.

Cheers. :lotus:

(Do you see the Pandora’s box you’ve just opened!? Stop me at any time if you start getting overwhelmed!)

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No, I thank you for all the info, I’ll come back to it many times I predict because I want to make

sure the bowl I buy is the right one. I know what I have isn’t ‘kosher’ but it does ring really easy

and does put me in the right ‘head space’. Cleaning the house today as the kids are coming

over on saturday and still have stuff that I dumped into corners moving in just laying around!

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Hi there! The gateway tapes are awesome, and they do a good job of helping one build the basic foundation for reaching the states needed for not only astral projection, but also manifestation. You can manifest from the focus state they want you to reach, along with just the general good benefits of meditation. I wanted to suggest you maybe look up Buddhist meditation techniques. Samatha meditation specifically has helped me, as well as looking into the jhanas- it’s kind of like when you are meditating and you start to see wisps of color and dark smoke, each color corresponds to a mind state and you can kind of gauge how ‘deep’ into the meditation you are. I started noticing them when I would lightly meditate during baths (I always made sure I wasn’t at risk of slipping into the water) since the water helps your body relax even more, although you should be careful if you try to meditate like that. I got a pillow that attaches to my tub to keep me above water, and even then I don’t let myself fully go out of it. But I realized I was seeing these weird orbs of color, and the meditations when I saw the colors, they felt serene and completely unlike the other times I’ve meditated. One of these states is apparently good for astral projection as well, and I have a link to someone who went into detail about what they experienced at each stage, with the colors they experienced and the emotions, I found it very useful.

Also I’ve personally found it much easier to meditate by focusing on just my breath. I sometimes imagine a white dot in the darkness of my closed eyes and will keep my attention on it. When the mind drifts, thats totally fine. Just recenter to your breathing and eventually the time between your attention drifting will be longer and longer. Awareness is kind of the key to perceiving the astral body, you want to shift your awareness inwards until you don’t feel your body- its a similar mind state to sleep paralysis, except you can still move and your mind is awake and aware. I hope some of this helps, also sorry that I’m kind of just dumping a ton of info all at once.

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DON’T be sorry! Thanks! Oh boy, so much great info on this thread, so much to look into.

But, I-must-clean-the-house right now LOL. But all good and gold, thank you both!

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HA! I’m no longer the only one here who knows anything about Buddhist meditation! I’m a Hindu-Buddhist so I know about the Jhanas.

Yes, Singular-point focus is highly effective, and is the simplest way to get into, and access deeper levels of meditation. This is why focusing on sound, breath, or a mantra is effective - as you’re focusing on a singular act or sensation.

Fair warning though, achieving the deepest level of jhana can put you into a temporary “coma” that can last for 1 week! No I’m not joking, the mind is that powerful!

There can also be negative side-effects of regular deep Jhana work. Most don’t talk about this. Jack Kornfield gets into this - both online and in his books. He’s a pretty good resource. (I have his “A Path With Heart” book.)

If you’re interested in studying consciousness, I suggest watching the “Bardo” videos I put in my 3rd reply to Sedim. There’s a reason why you feel it’s similar to sleep paralysis - I believe you’re in the Bardo!

( Oh and the way I see it, he asked for it!! I know him well, he loves collecting research. lol )

You’re welcome my dear. :lotus:

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I read that article. It’s interesting to hear her experiences. As I’m following traditional Buddhist methods, the techniques I use are very different, though there are a few similarities.

But it sounds like she doesn’t understand what she’s experiencing. If you don’t understand the original spiritual context of these states, you’re going to miss potentially everything. Through jhana work, you could achieve enlightenment if you knew what you were looking at and the teachings and techniques they’re meant to be practiced alongside with.

Forgive me, but I’m going to rant here:

I wish more people respected the traditions these meditations came from. The thought of an AI teaching me how to meditate sounds quite soulless and that’s probably why she stopped when she got to the 9th. The jhanas aren’t a videogame where you earn trophies and then “win” once you reach the end - that’s a horrible takeaway that imo proves she didn’t comprehend what she was doing.

Western influencers seem to love to rip off spiritual practices from old traditions of the East, remove all spiritual and religious connotations - commodify it, commercialize it, and then disillusion any Western spiritual seekers when they see the ads, pay an unholy amount of money, and get a hollow practice instead of something authentic. Then people wonder why the west feels spiritually dead. These teachings are FREE in the east and they should always be free. Give respect to the old teachers and their wishes - it’s not like they refined it for thousands of years or anything. This is my opinion.

If I go off of her descriptions, then I have reached J7 - almost J8. The Tibetans teach how to access other Bardo states through meditation, and my understanding is these gates exist between the Jhanas. These Bardos are my newest interest. There’s also a hidden aspect to J9 that she doesn’t seem to know because that part is missing?

I have a lot more observations but I’ll leave it at that. I would not take her as the best source for jhana work, that’s just my opinion. If she helped you though, that’s great!

Cheers. :lotus:

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I still have not begun the Hemi-Sync tapes, had to deal with lots of other issues like Beltane

and obtaining a Get (Jewish divorce certificate) and having the kids over, my Transmasc son

1st time ever. Plus a long-distance courtship with someone on Active Duty Deployment to gulf.

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That’s a lot going on!! Hope your visit went well. Take your time, I just thought I would add my… few dozen cents after I read that article lol. I know it’s a lot - don’t feel like you have to rush. :lotus:

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